2) Should we be forming another sub-group to deal with decays involving charm? So far, the rare sub-group has stayed away from such decays with the exception of some B decays to charmed baryons. I would suggest that we add a new sub-group that would take these charmed baryon decays with their primary mission being to compile and average the important B->D(*)K(*) decays that are already coming from both BABAR and Belle. Gamma will come from combinations of these decays in a couple years and we should have a group prepared to deal with this. I would suggest that the scope of this group also include other decays to charm (D(*)pi, ..). and charmonium decays though the case for that is less compelling in my view.